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    A creature whose first impulse were toward pleasure would... — Carmelics
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    Supports→The original impulse of ensouled creatures is toward what is appropriate for their self-preservation, not toward what is pleasurable.

    A creature whose first impulse were toward pleasure would lack the prior self-model necessary to identify what pleasures are its own, making self-preservation explanatorily prior.

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    • 1.Self-identification requires a boundary between self and non-self, which presupposes survival of that bounded entity over time.
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    • 2.A creature pursuing pleasure without self-model would attribute experiences indiscriminately, unable to distinguish its own desires from external stimuli.
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    • 3.Self-preservation enables the continuity necessary for any creature to accumulate the experiences through which identity becomes intelligible.
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    • 1.Many organisms with minimal self-models (insects, larvae) pursue pleasure-like states effectively without apparent identity confusion or prior self-preservation imperative.
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    • 2.Pleasure-seeking behavior itself provides the feedback loop that generates implicit self-models; they needn't be prior but emerge through hedonic experience.
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    • 3.The claim conflates metaphysical priority (logical ordering) with causal priority, without justifying why conceptual prerequisites must match evolutionary development.
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