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    It is not the case that A loving and omnipotent God would not necessarily prevent every suicide and every murder.

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    • 1.The repairability of harm to the victim does not negate the moral significance of the perpetrator's act of murder or the victim's suffering prior to repair.
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    • 2.A God who permits murder on grounds of future reparability treats persons as means to eschatological ends, violating Kantian respect for persons as ends in themselves.
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    • 3.Divine omnipotence cannot coherently 'repair' the fact that a person was murdered, since past events are metaphysically necessary once actualized, even for God.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.If God's permission of suicide and murder is justified by future reparability, then no act of harm can count as genuinely irreparable, which trivializes the moral weight of evil and undermines theodicy's explanatory project.
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    • 2.Alvin Plantinga's free will defense requires that God cannot both grant libertarian freedom and guarantee reparative outcomes, meaning the reparability premise silently presupposes compatibilist constraints that undercut the freedom defense itself.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Harm that no human being can repair may nonetheless be harm that God can repair.
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    • 2.A loving and omnipotent God whose goal is the reconciliation of the world need only prevent every harm that not even omnipotence could repair at some future time.
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    • 3.Neither suicide nor murder is necessarily an instance of harm that not even omnipotence could repair at some future time.
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