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    A metalanguage can be spoken by a BIV if the BIV's causal... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→(Cons) can express a truth at a vat-world only if the speaker of (Cons) is not in a vat-world

    A metalanguage can be spoken by a BIV if the BIV's causal-computational relations track the same semantic norms as non-BIVs.

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    • 1.Semantic content depends on causal-computational relations, not substrate or origin. If relations match, meaning is preserved.
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    • 2.A BIV with identical functional organization to a non-BIV would process metalinguistic norms identically, enabling genuine reference.
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    • 3.Internalism about semantics is true: what determines meaning is internal causal structure, not external historical facts.
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    • 1.Semantic norms are partially constituted by reliable causal links to the world. A BIV's relations are systematically decoupled from reality.
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    • 2.Metalanguage requires the ability to represent and reflect on object language. A BIV cannot access the external world to validate norms.
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    • 3.Tracking the same relations isn't sufficient—the relations must originate in proper historical-causal commerce with actual referents.
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