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    It is not the case that A moral framework that renders no harm ultimately real undermines the grounds for any divine judgment, including eternal torment itself.

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    Reasons For

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    • 1.A framework can treat harm as ultimately illusory while maintaining that perceived harm matters morally in this realm.
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    • 2.Divine judgment could be based on intent or violation of commands, not on harm's ultimate reality status.
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    • 3.Even if nothing is ultimately real, a coherent moral system can function within one consistent metaphysical view.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Justice requires that punishments be proportionate to real harms caused; unreal harms cannot justify any punishment.
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    • 2.A framework denying harm's reality denies the very suffering that makes eternal torment morally objectionable.
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    • 3.Divine judgment presupposes moral accountability, which requires that agents' actions produce genuine consequences.
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