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    A people may be justified in alienating their rights to a... — Carmelics
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    A people may be justified in alienating their rights to adjudicate disputes and self-defense to a sovereign

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    • 1.Without a sovereign, the state of nature produces life that is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short
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    • 2.Alienating rights to a sovereign is the only way to keep the peace given the nature of the state of nature
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    • 1.Locke demonstrates that adjudication and enforcement can be delegated to government without full alienation, preserving the people's right to revoke that trust upon breach.
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    • 2.The alienation model conflates the surrender of a right with the conditional delegation of its exercise, which are distinct acts with different normative consequences.
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    • 3.If the distinction holds, then inalienable self-governance rights survive the social contract, undermining absolute sovereignty as the necessary solution to the state of nature.
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    • 1.Alienating the right to self-defense is logically impossible, as Hobbes himself concedes that individuals retain the right to resist the sword even under sovereignty.
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    • 2.A transfer that cannot be completed even in principle cannot serve as the foundation for legitimate political obligation.
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    Contractarian social contract theories take individuals to be the best judges of their interests and the means to satisfy their desires. For this reason, there is a close connection between liberalism and contractarianism. However, that is not to say that all contractarian thought is liberal. Hobbes, for example, argued in favor of what Jean Hampton has called the “alienation contract” (1986, 3, 103, 256–265), that is, a contract on the part of a people to alienate their rights to adjudicate the
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