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    A probative system need not be relativistically fundament... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→Rigid rods and ideal clocks are unsuitable for determining the inherent structures of spacetime postulated by the theory of relativity.

    A probative system need not be relativistically fundamental to be suitable for determining spacetime structure, only reliable and systematically correctable.

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    • 1.Ptolemaic astronomy successfully predicted celestial positions without relativistic foundations, proving empirical reliability transcends theoretical fundamentality.
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    • 2.Self-correction mechanisms (independent verification, calibration standards) can eliminate systematic errors regardless of whether the underlying framework is metaphysically foundational.
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    • 3.Spacetime structure is empirically accessible only through measurement outcomes; whether those outcomes derive from fundamental or emergent processes is epistemically secondary to their consistency.
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    • 1.Non-fundamental systems may succeed locally but fail at boundaries where hidden assumptions break down; reliability without fundamentality creates illusion of understanding without actual knowledge.
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    • 2.Systematic correctability assumes we can always identify errors from within the system; but non-fundamental frameworks may be systematically blind to structural limitations of their own categories.
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    • 3.Spacetime structure has intrinsic ontological content; determining it requires frameworks aligned with reality's actual constitution, not merely instrumentally useful approximations.
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