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    LoyalLoyalJusticeJustice
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    It is not the case that A punishment that serves no rational agent—neither victim, society, nor offender—cannot be justified under any coherent retributive framework.

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    • 1.Retributive punishment may be justified as expressing moral condemnation itself, regardless of instrumental benefits to any agent.
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    • 2.Society benefits from upholding the rule of law and treating equals equally; punishing all crimes maintains legal legitimacy.
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    • 3.The offender's claim to rational benefit is forfeited by wrongdoing; justice need not serve their interests or preferences.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Retributive justice requires proportional response to wrongdoing; purposeless suffering adds cruelty without achieving proportionality.
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    • 2.A coherent ethical framework cannot justify inflicting harm when no rational agent benefits or learns from that harm.
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    • 3.Retributivism justifies punishment through moral restoration; punishment serving no one leaves the moral ledger unchanged.
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