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    A simulation of brain activity is not the same as real br... — Carmelics
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    A simulation of brain activity is not the same as real brain activity and does not produce genuine understanding.

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    • 1.A system of valves and water pipes arranged isomorphically to the neurons of a native Chinese speaker's brain, operated by following a program, would obviously not understand Chinese.
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    • 2.If a functional simulation of a brain does not produce understanding, then simulation of brain activity is not sufficient for understanding.
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    • 3.Water-works systems do not possess understanding regardless of their causal organization.
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    In response to this, Searle argues that it makes no difference. He suggests a variation on the brain simulator scenario: suppose that in the room the man has a huge set of valves and water pipes, in the same arrangement as the neurons in a native Chinese speaker’s brain. The program now tells the man which valves to open in response to input. Searle claims that it is obvious that there would be no understanding of Chinese. (Note however that the basis for this claim is no longer simply that Sear
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