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    It is not the case that A state that punishes to moralize conflates legal authority with ethical tutelage, collapsing the distinction between law and virtue.

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    • 1.All legal systems embed moral commitments (e.g., prohibiting theft assumes property rights have moral weight).
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    • 2.Rehabilitation programs succeed when they improve character; denying moral aims ignores evidence about recidivism reduction.
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    • 3.The distinction between 'legal' and 'ethical' tutelage is unstable; any punishment shapes behavior and values simultaneously.
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    • 1.Law's legitimacy depends on procedural fairness and consent, not on judges' beliefs about citizens' moral improvement.
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    • 2.States lack epistemic authority to determine virtue; moral disagreement makes moralizing punishment authoritarian.
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    • 3.Punishment justified solely by deterrence or incapacitation respects autonomy; moral reformation treats citizens as defective.
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