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    It is not the case that A successful argument need not produce assent to a proposition, but may instead produce a particular attitude, emotional state, or behavior.

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    • 1.Arguments are distinguished from other forms of influence precisely by their reliance on reasons directed at rational assent, not causal manipulation of states.
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    • 2.Producing fear or behavior through premises conflates argument with rhetoric, collapsing a distinction Aristotle treated as foundational in the Organon and Rhetoric.
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    • 3.If success is defined by any arguer purpose, coercion and deception become species of successful argument, undermining argument's normative epistemic function.
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    • 1.Frege's analysis of assertion entails that the point of propositional content is always truth-apt commitment, making non-doxastic 'success' a category error.
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    • 2.An account of argument that severs success from truth-directed assent cannot explain why bad arguments with persuasive emotional effects are still classified as failures.
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    • 1.An argument is successful when it accomplishes the arguer's purpose in presenting the argument.
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    • 2.An arguer's purpose may be to produce a withholding of assent, a particular attitude, an emotional state such as fear or hope, or a certain kind of behavior.
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