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    Challenges→A performance that departs from the prescribed notes may still count as a rendering of the original work by virtue of symbolic reference to and exemplification of that work, even while being ontologically an instance of a distinct work.

    Allowing symbolic reference to substitute for compliance collapses Goodman's strict type-token distinction, which was designed precisely to exclude such intensional relations from ontological criteria.

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    • 1.Goodman's type-token distinction requires extensional identity criteria to avoid circular intensional definitions of what counts as the same symbol.
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    • 2.Allowing symbolic reference to substitute for compliance treats abstract intensional properties as ontologically foundational, violating nominalist constraints.
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    • 3.Once intensional relations enter ontological criteria, the distinction collapses because any token could reference any type through interpreted meaning.
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    • 1.Goodman's distinction already accommodates conventional relations; symbolic reference is just another conventional criterion, not a collapse of the distinction.
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    • 2.Type-token identity operates at the level of physical/structural properties; intensional relations operate at different level and don't necessarily undermine extensional criteria.
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    • 3.The claim assumes symbolic reference lacks determinate criteria, but reference itself can be defined extensionally through causal or conventional regularities.
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    Key Terms

    Compliance(describing whether a league can get its members to actually follow its rules)
    When people follow rules, laws, or agreements because they accept them (not just because they're forced to).
    Nelson Goodman(the philosopher whose theory is being discussed)
    A 20th-century American philosopher who developed theories about how symbols (like words, pictures, and artworks) work and mean things.
    intensional relations(the kinds of relationships Goodman wanted to exclude from ontology)
    Relationships based on meaning, intention, or what something is about (rather than just physical facts); for example, the way a painting 'is about' a person without being that person.
    ontological criteria(what Goodman's distinction was meant to protect or define)
    The standards or rules we use to decide what actually exists or counts as real.
    symbolic reference(as used in semiotics and philosophy of language)
    When something points to or stands for something else through meaning or agreement—like how a wedding ring symbolically refers to a marriage commitment.
    type-token distinction(Applied to art ontology to distinguish between a work of art as an abstract repeatable entity (type) and its particular concrete instances or performances (tokens))
    A distinction between a general kind or pattern (the type) and particular instances of that kind (tokens), originating with Charles Sanders Peirce

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    Once intensional relations enter ontological criteria, the distinction collapses...The claim assumes symbolic reference lacks determinate criteria, but reference i...Type-token identity operates at the level of physical/structural properties; int...