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    It is not the case that an infinite punishment involves torture

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    Reasons For

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    Reason for 1 of 4
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    • The punishment is moderate
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    Reason for 2 of 4
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    • If the above is true, it is not that an infinite punishment involves torture
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    Reason for 3 of 4
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    • The punishment is moderate
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    Reason for 4 of 4
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    • If the above is true, it is not that an infinite punishment involves torture
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Duration transforms the phenomenological character of suffering: what is bearable finitely becomes unbearable infinitely, per Kant's moral arithmetic.
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    • 2.An experience that never terminates eliminates hope, and Aquinas identifies hopelessness (desperatio) as itself a form of extreme psychological torment.
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    • 3.The elimination of any prospect of relief or cessation constitutes torture by the standards articulated in contemporary just-war and human-rights ethics.
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    Reason against 2 of 2
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    • 1.Jonathan Kvanvig and Jerry Walls both argue that consciousness under eternal separation from God entails unrelenting existential anguish with no amelioration.
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    • 2.If suffering admits of no relief across infinite time, the cumulative intensity surpasses any finite threshold of 'moderate,' rendering 'moderate' categorically inapplicable.
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