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    It is not the case that Any purported 'service' that requires eternal suffering as its causal mechanism cannot constitute a genuine moral good for its recipients.

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    • 1.Suffering can be instrumentally necessary for goods (medical pain enables healing); eternal suffering's necessity for salvation requires separate justification.
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    • 2.A good's moral status depends on net outcome, not mechanism alone; if eternal salvation outweighs temporary/eternal cost, it remains a genuine good.
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    • 3.The claim conflates 'suffering as mechanism' with 'suffering as outcome'; suffering during redemption differs morally from suffering as final state.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Moral goods require that recipients experience net benefit; eternal suffering precludes any possible net positive outcome.
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    • 2.Causal mechanisms producing goods must be proportionate to ends; infinite suffering is disproportionate to any finite benefit.
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    • 3.Genuine services respect agent autonomy; coerced acceptance under threat of eternal suffering violates autonomy fundamentally.
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