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    It is not the case that Apparent happiness without God reflects a disordered will mistaking finite goods for the infinite good, not genuine flourishing (Confessions I.1).

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    • 1.Many secular individuals report sustained wellbeing through meaning-making, relationships, and creative pursuits without theistic frameworks.
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    • 2.The claim conflates 'not ultimate' with 'not genuinely good'—finite goods can provide real flourishing even if they're not infinite or eternal.
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    • 3.Augustine's framework assumes God-directed will is necessary for genuine flourishing, but this remains doctrinally contested even within Christian traditions.
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    • 1.Finite goods (pleasure, wealth, status) are by nature temporary and exhaustible, leaving inherent dissatisfaction when pursued as ultimate ends.
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    • 2.Only an infinite, immutable good can satisfy the infinite capacity for desire present in human consciousness and rational reflection.
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    • 3.Psychological research shows hedonic adaptation causes satisfaction from material goods to diminish, supporting Augustine's diagnosis of disordered seeking.
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