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    It is not the case that Aristotle's own doctrine of primary substance requires spatial and temporal individuation, conditions that are categorically inapplicable to immaterial, eternal divine persons.

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    • 1.Aristotle himself posited the unmoved mover as primary substance despite lacking spatiotemporal properties, suggesting his framework permits immaterial individuals.
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    • 2.Individuation through spatiotemporal location may be sufficient but not necessary for Aristotelian substance; divine persons could be individuated by essential properties instead.
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    • 3.Medieval Aristotelians successfully integrated immaterial divine persons into substance metaphysics without abandoning core Aristotelian commitments about being.
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    • 1.Aristotle's primary substances (tode ti) are individuated by occupying a unique spatiotemporal location, which immaterial beings logically cannot satisfy.
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    • 2.Eternal entities lack temporal succession and change, yet Aristotelian substance requires capacity for qualitative alteration while maintaining identity.
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    • 3.Applying Aristotle's hylomorphic framework to non-corporeal divine persons creates categorical confusion between form-without-matter and actual substances.
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