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    It is not the case that Augustine argued in City of God that heavenly souls possess a transformed mode of knowledge oriented entirely toward God, not toward the damned.

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    • 1.Augustine never explicitly endorses epistemological filtering; attributing this requires inferring unstated doctrine from scattered theological claims.
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    • 2.Divine omniscience in blessed souls might require knowledge of all creation's states; selective ignorance seems incompatible with perfect knowledge.
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    • 3.Augustine's actual texts emphasize saints' intercessory prayer for living mortals, suggesting souls retain relational awareness beyond pure God-orientation.
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    • 1.Augustine's theodicy requires that blessed souls experience unbroken beatitude; knowledge of damned suffering would logically create divine discord.
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    • 2.Perfect union with God (visio Dei) necessarily transforms consciousness to God's perspective, which transcends concern with creation's fallen state.
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    • 3.Augustine explicitly states happiness requires absence of grief; awareness of the damned's torment would generate compassionate sorrow, contradicting this.
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