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    It is not the case that Billy's throw is a preempted potential cause, not an actual cause of the bottle shattering

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    • 1.Causal contribution can be grounded in intrinsic features of a process rather than its counterfactual relationship to competing processes.
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    • 2.Billy's throw initiates a continuous physical process toward the bottle that carries genuine causal influence independent of Suzy's throw.
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    • 3.A cause's status as 'actual' should not be negated solely by the accidental presence of a faster redundant process—this conflates causal priority with causal reality.
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    • 1.On an INUS condition account (Mackie), Billy's throw is an insufficient but necessary part of a sufficient condition in worlds where Suzy abstains.
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    • 2.The preemption verdict depends on privileging one metaphysical framework (counterfactual dependence) over others that assign Billy genuine causal status.
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    • 3.Philosophical accounts that yield asymmetric verdicts across structurally analogous causal scenarios lack the principled basis required to exclude Billy entirely.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Billy's throw would have shattered the bottle only if Suzy had not thrown first
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    • 2.Suzy's throw preempted Billy's throw by completing the causal process first
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    • 3.A cause that is cut short before producing its effect does not count as an actual cause
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