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    Bodily motion cannot have any effect on a spiritual soul — Carmelics
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    Bodily motion cannot have any effect on a spiritual soul

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    • 1.The motion of a body can at best have no other effect than to move another body
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    • 2.A spiritual soul is not a body
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    • 1.Spinoza's dual-aspect monism holds that mind and body are not ontologically distinct substances but two attributes of one substance.
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    • 2.If the soul-body distinction is a conceptual rather than a real distinction, the causal exclusion argument assumes what it must prove.
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    • 3.The premise that motion can only move bodies presupposes Cartesian substance dualism, which itself requires independent justification.
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    • 1.Occasionalism (Malebranche) grants that bodily motion lacks intrinsic causal power, yet God uses bodily events as occasions to produce mental states.
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    • 2.If divine mediation can bridge the mind-body gap, then bodily motion can be the sufficient condition for mental effects without being their efficient cause.
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    Arnauld says that it is “easy” to eliminate the first alternative: “For since the motion of a body can at best have no other effect than to move another body (I say at best because it may have not even that), who does not see that it can have no effect on a spiritual soul?” (Examen, OA, 38:146). He adds that St. Augustine considered it beyond doubt that a body can have an effect only on our body, and not on our soul. Arnauld rules out the second of his three alternatives on the grounds that the
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