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    It is not the case that Boethius's model of divine eternity as 'nunc stans' entails that God encompasses all moments simultaneously, meaning divine agency is not temporally indexed to creation.

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    • 1.If all moments exist simultaneously for God, the distinction between God's intention and its actualization collapses, making causal agency unintelligible.
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    • 2.Nunc stans requires that past, present, and future are equally real; this contradicts our direct experience that only the present exists as actual.
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    • 3.Even if God sees all moments at once, creation still occurs sequentially; temporal indexing of agency explains how God acts *in* history, not just *over* it.
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    • 1.If God is truly timeless, God cannot be before, after, or during creation; simultaneity across all moments avoids privileging any temporal point.
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    • 2.Divine omniscience requires knowing all truths; timeless knowledge of future events is more coherent than temporal foreknowledge, which seems contradictory.
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    • 3.Indexing divine agency to creation's temporal sequence would make God dependent on the world's existence, undermining divine aseity and transcendence.
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