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    By contracting into civil society, individuals surrender ... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→The sovereign lacks the right to fully control individuals' beliefs

    By contracting into civil society, individuals surrender private judgment—including on matters of doctrine—to the sovereign as the price of peace.

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    • 1.Without unified doctrine, religious sectarianism produces endless conflict that destabilizes civil peace and makes cooperation impossible.
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    • 2.Individuals implicitly consent to sovereign authority over doctrine when they voluntarily remain in the commonwealth and enjoy its protections.
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    • 3.Private doctrinal judgment inevitably becomes political when individuals act on it, threatening the state's monopoly on legitimate force.
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    • 1.Conscience cannot be surrendered through contract—coerced belief is logically impossible, making the claim about surrender incoherent.
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    • 2.Peaceful pluralism with protected conscience rights demonstrates that doctrinal uniformity is neither necessary nor sufficient for civil peace.
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    • 3.A sovereignty that demands doctrinal submission becomes tyrannical and loses legitimacy, actually destabilizing rather than securing society.
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