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    It is not the case that Coherent consubstantiality requires that 'substance' be predicated of the Trinity as a whole, with distinctions belonging only to relational properties, not to individuating substances.

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    • 1.Relational properties alone cannot ground real distinction; two beings sharing only relational differences remain indistinguishable in essence.
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    • 2.Scripture attributes substance-level predicates to each person (Word is God, Spirit is God); collapsing these into relations contradicts the text.
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    • 3.If substances are identical and only relations differ, the Trinity becomes conceptual rather than ontologically real—reducing it to modalism.
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    • 1.Substance must be singular to preserve divine simplicity and avoid tritheism; multiplying substances undermines monotheistic coherence.
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    • 2.Relations (paternity, filiation, procession) can exhaustively ground personal distinction without requiring distinct substantial essences.
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    • 3.Classical metaphysics treats substance as what persists through accidents; the Trinity's unity demands substance transcend numerical plurality.
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