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    It is not the case that Deprivation of future goods constitutes a harm even if the subject never consciously experiences that deprivation.

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    • 1.Harm requires a subject with interests. Without consciousness, no interests exist to be frustrated, so no harm can occur.
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    • 2.Deprivation presupposes a person who could have possessed something. Non-existent subjects cannot be deprived of what they lack.
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    • 3.Making unconscious deprivation count as harm requires comparing actual to counterfactual states—but no subject exists to bear the comparison.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.A person can be harmed by events they never experience, as shown by betrayal—a spouse's infidelity harms even if undiscovered.
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    • 2.Harm should track objective deprivation of goods, not just subjective experience, or we deny harms to the unconscious and deceased.
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    • 3.A child dying at birth is intuitively worse than never existing, implying deprivation of future life-goods constitutes real harm.
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