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    It is not the case that Descartes' own criterion—that TINs are recognized, not invented—applies equally to an essence that essentially includes existence when clearly and distinctly perceived.

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    • 1.Recognition presupposes an independently existing object; existence itself cannot be recognized as a feature since it's required for any recognition.
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    • 2.Clear and distinct perception about God may reflect our conceptual framework rather than God's actual essence independent of our understanding.
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    • 3.Finite things are recognized through sensory interaction with a pre-existing world; infinite essences lack this grounding, making 'recognition' equivocal.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Clear and distinct perception reveals necessary truths about reality, not merely subjective constructs or inventions.
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    • 2.If existence is genuinely part of God's essence when clearly perceived, we recognize this structural feature like any other essential property.
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    • 3.Descartes' distinction between recognition and invention applies to all essences grasped through clear and distinct ideas, not just finite things.
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