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    Descartes' reciprocity of transfer thesis underdetermines the outcome of bodily collisions and the capacity to apply and make predictions from the Cartesian collision rules.

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    • 1.Leibniz demonstrated in his critique of Cartesian physics that relational motion requires a privileged reference frame, which Descartes' plenum cannot provide.
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    • 2.Without a privileged reference frame, the reciprocity thesis generates symmetric descriptions where body A approaches B and B approaches A with equal validity.
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    • 3.Symmetric descriptions that are equally valid yet yield asymmetric collision outcomes entail underdetermination of which collision rule governs the interaction.
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    • 1.Newton's argument in the Scholium to the Principia establishes that purely relational motion cannot distinguish absolute acceleration from rest, undermining relational collision predictions.
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    • 2.Descartes' third law of motion requires directional priority to determine which body 'gives way,' but reciprocity of transfer dissolves the asymmetry needed for directional priority.
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    • 1.Descartes' reciprocity of transfer thesis holds that motion is determined solely by reference to the contiguous neighborhood of each individual body.
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    • 2.Determining which collision rule applies requires knowing whether two bodies are approaching one another.
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    • 3.Whether two bodies are approaching one another cannot be determined from the contiguous neighborhood of each body alone.
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    The problem with this line of reasoning, however, is that it only works if one presupposes that the two bodies are approaching one another, and this is not a feature of the system that can be captured by sole reference to the contiguous neighborhood of each individual body. Even if there is reciprocity of transfer between a body and its neighborhood, it is still not possible to determine which collision rule the impact will fall under, or if the bodies will even collide at all, unless some refer
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