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    Descartes's ideas, understood as operations of his mind, cannot be more perfect than his mind.

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    • 1.Ideas taken in the material sense are operations (modes) of the mind.
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    • 2.A mode cannot exceed the formal reality of the substance it modifies.
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    • 3.Descartes's mind is the substance whose modes his ideas are.
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    • 1.Descartes himself distinguishes material reality (ideas as operations) from objective reality (ideas as representations of objects).
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    • 2.The causal adequacy principle governing the Trademark Argument applies to objective reality, not material reality.
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    • 3.Conflating these two senses of 'idea' equivocates on the very distinction Descartes uses to argue for God's existence in Meditation III.
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    • 1.Malebranche argued that finite minds perceive ideas in God, meaning the representational content of ideas is not produced by nor constrained by the finite mind.
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    • 2.If ideas are modes of a divine intellect rather than a finite substance, the finite mind's perfection sets no upper bound on ideational content.
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    • 3.This Malebranchean reading is a coherent development of Cartesian principles and undermines the claim that the finite mind strictly limits its own ideas.
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    The term “idea” can be used to refer to a specific kind of act or operation of the mind—here, it is the act of representing. In this sense, the idea is simply an existent mode of the mind. In light of the formal-objective reality distinction, since the formal reality of an idea (a mode) is derived from the formal reality of the mind (its substance), it follows that its level of formal reality cannot be greater than that of the mind. This is what Descartes means when claiming that his ideas, unde
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