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    It is not the case that Eternal torture would be more pleasant than ceasing to exist

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    Reasons For

    5 perspectives
    Reason for 1 of 5
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    • the pain of ceasing to exist is only experienced as one approaches it
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    Reason for 2 of 5
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    • the pain of eternal torture is experienced forever
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    Reason for 3 of 5
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    • it is that eternal pain is ever as pleasant as temporary pain
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    Reason for 4 of 5
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    • if the above is true, it is not that eternal torture is more pleasnant than ceasing to exist
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    Reason for 5 of 5
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    • test test test
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    Reasons Against

    2 perspectives
    Reason against 1 of 2
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    • 1.Existence, even in suffering, preserves the ontological precondition for any possible future good, while annihilation forecloses all value permanently.
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    • 2.Leibniz's principle that existence is preferable to non-existence grounds the intuition that any mode of being outweighs absolute nothingness.
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    • 3.The asymmetry between recoverable and irrecoverable states means eternal torture remains open to redemption in ways annihilation categorically cannot.
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    Reason against 2 of 2
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    • 1.Aristotle's account of eudaimonia treats continued existence as the substrate without which flourishing concepts lose their referent entirely.
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    • 2.If personal identity requires continuity of consciousness, annihilation destroys the very subject who might evaluate or escape suffering, making it a worse outcome by the agent's own future-regarding preferences.
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