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    It is not the case that External objects (bodies) are nothing separated from representations of them.

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    Reasons For

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    Reason for 1 of 2
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    • 1.Objects causally produce representations in perceivers, and causes must be ontologically distinct from their effects.
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    • 2.Kant himself acknowledges things-in-themselves as the ground of appearances, implying mind-independent existence beyond representations.
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    • 3.If objects just are representations, the causal story of perception becomes viciously circular with nothing external to explain sensory constraint.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Scientific realism requires that theoretical entities like electrons exist independently of any representation, yet successfully explains observable phenomena.
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    • 2.The predictive success of physics under conditions where no conscious observer exists—e.g., cosmic events before sentient life—demands mind-independent objects.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.External objects (bodies) are merely appearances.
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    • 2.Appearances are a species of representations.
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    • 3.The objects of representations have being only through those representations.
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