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    It is not the case that For Hobbes, subjects alienate their natural right entirely to the sovereign, who retains authority even when governance is harmful, as in Leviathan Ch. 18.

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    • 1.Hobbes distinguishes between irrevocable sovereignty and subjects retaining a right to self-preservation when facing direct death threats.
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    • 2.The covenant's purpose is peace and protection; a sovereign causing systematic harm undermines the rational basis for the original agreement itself.
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    • 3.Hobbes acknowledges subjects may resist when sovereigns actively kill them, implying retained rights despite formal alienation language.
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    • 1.Hobbes argues subjects covenant to transfer all natural rights to prevent the war of all against all, making sovereign authority absolute by contract.
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    • 2.For Hobbes, withdrawing consent retroactively would dissolve the peace mechanism entirely, making conditional sovereignty logically incoherent.
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    • 3.Leviathan Ch. 18 explicitly states the sovereign cannot breach the covenant, since subjects authorized all sovereign actions prospectively.
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