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    It is not the case that For humans, moral virtue is the most appropriate good and the only genuine good.

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    • 1.Aristotle's eudaimonia requires external goods (health, friendship, resources) as genuine constituents of flourishing, not mere instruments.
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    • 2.A virtuous person suffering severe deprivation, disease, or isolation is objectively worse off than one who is virtuous and possesses these goods.
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    • 3.Therefore, moral virtue alone cannot constitute the complete good for humans, since its exercise depends on and is diminished by the absence of external conditions.
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    • 1.The Stoic identification of virtue with knowledge commits a category error: practical wisdom guides action toward ends, but cannot itself constitute all ends worth pursuing.
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    • 2.Pleasure, understood by Epicurus not as hedonistic excess but as stable freedom from pain (ataraxia), is phenomenologically given as intrinsically good independent of rational appraisal.
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    • 3.Any account of the good that systematically excludes states the agent directly experiences as valuable requires an implausibly strong revisionary burden of proof.
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    • 1.Humans are rational creatures, so what is appropriate to humans includes the perfection of their rational natures.
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    • 2.The Stoics identify moral virtues with knowledge, which is the perfection of rational nature.
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    • 3.Whatever is the perfection of one's nature is what is genuinely good for that creature.
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