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    Free individuals will naturally form a harmonious society. — Carmelics
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    Free individuals will naturally form a harmonious society.

    Rights & LibertySocial Contract
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    • 1.Disagreement and discord between human beings always result from different and changeable passions.
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    • 2.Free individuals all share the same nature and act on the same principles.
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    • 3.Insofar as men live according to the guidance of reason, they must do only those things that are good for human nature, and hence agree with the nature of each man.
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    • 1.Reason underdetermines action: even perfectly rational agents can reach conflicting conclusions from shared premises about scarce resources or priority of goods.
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    • 2.Hobbes demonstrated that rational self-interest in conditions of scarcity generates competitive rather than harmonious equilibria, regardless of agents' epistemic parity.
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    • 3.Spinoza's premise that shared rational nature entails behavioral convergence conflates agreement in principle with agreement in application under real-world constraints.
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    • 1.Kant's antinomies show that pure practical reason generates genuine moral dilemmas where rational agents, fully autonomous, arrive at incompatible yet internally valid maxims.
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    • 2.If rational freedom permits a plurality of incommensurable yet equally valid life-plans, as Berlin's value pluralism establishes, harmony is not a necessary outcome of freedom.
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    There are a number of social and political ramifications that follow from Spinoza’s ethical doctrines of human action and well-being. Because disagreement and discord between human beings is always the result of our different and changeable passions, “free” individuals—who all share the same nature and act on the same principles—will naturally and effortlessly form a harmonious society. “Insofar as men are torn by affects that are passions, they can be contrary to one another …[But] insofar as m
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