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    It is not the case that G.E. Moore's ideal utilitarianism holds that beauty, knowledge, and friendship have intrinsic value independent of the pleasure they produce.

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    • 1.Without conscious experience, claims about intrinsic value become metaphysically mysterious and unverifiable.
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    • 2.Our preferences for beauty, knowledge, and friendship evolved because they reliably produced fitness benefits, undermining intrinsic value claims.
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    • 3.Moore cannot explain why we should care about intrinsic values without appealing to their ultimate connection to well-being.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.We value knowledge even when it causes suffering, suggesting value beyond pleasure production.
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    • 2.A world with beautiful art but no observers has value, indicating intrinsic rather than experiential value.
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    • 3.Friendship's worth persists even when it generates anxiety or hardship, not reducible to net pleasure.
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