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    It is not the case that God is not just another necessary being among necessary beings; he is uniquely necessary as the source and ground of everything distinct from himself.

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    • 1.On Platonist accounts defended by Gödel and Frege, abstract necessary beings are self-subsistent and depend on nothing external for their existence.
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    • 2.If abstract objects are genuinely self-subsistent, God cannot be their source without collapsing into a form of ontotheological voluntarism that contradicts mathematical necessity.
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    • 3.Aquinas's own grounding move requires real distinctions within God's causation that the doctrine of divine simplicity explicitly prohibits.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Necessary existence admits of no intrinsic gradations: if God and numbers both exist in all possible worlds, no modal fact distinguishes their necessity.
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    • 2.The claim that God 'grounds' abstract objects presupposes a priority relation that modal logic itself cannot express, making the distinction metaphysically idle without independent justification.
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    • 1.The possible worlds representation does not distinguish the necessity of God from that of an abstract object such as the set of even primes.
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    • 2.God is the source and ground of everything distinct from himself, including all non-divine necessary beings.
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