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    Hick's Irenaean theodicy demonstrates that soul-making go... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→Premises (1) through (6) validly imply conclusion (7), i.e., that God does not exist.

    Hick's Irenaean theodicy demonstrates that soul-making goods (virtue, empathy, moral growth) are only achievable in an environment containing genuine suffering and adversity.

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    • 1.Courage requires genuine danger; compassion requires witnessing real suffering. These virtues are conceptually impossible without adversity.
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    • 2.Moral growth involves overcoming resistance to selfish impulses. Without real hardship tempting us toward vice, growth remains untested.
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    • 3.A world without suffering would offer no occasion to develop resilience, patience, or the deep character that emerges through struggle.
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    • 1.An omnipotent creator could design agents who develop virtue through non-suffering means: education, meaningful challenges, or alternative growth mechanisms.
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    • 2.Excessive suffering (childhood cancer, genocide) far exceeds what's necessary for soul-making, suggesting this theodicy doesn't match reality's severity.
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    • 3.Virtues might be cultivable through hypothetical adversity or simulation without actual innocent people enduring real trauma and loss.
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