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    It is not the case that Hilbert's program and its successors (e.g., Detlefsen's 'Hilbertian instrumentalism') deny that unprovability-relative-to-F licenses truth-attribution absent an independent consistency proof.

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    • 1.The demand for independent consistency proofs faces infinite regress: any proof requires its own consistency verification.
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    • 2.Mathematical practice routinely treats unprovable-in-F statements as true (e.g., Con(PA)) without Hilbertian skepticism causing problems.
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    • 3.Denying truth to unprovable statements makes mathematics epistemically parochial, unable to accommodate transfinite reasoning's genuine utility.
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    • 1.Gödel's incompleteness theorems show formal systems cannot prove their own consistency, making unprovability within F epistemically unreliable.
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    • 2.Truth-attributions to unprovable statements risk conflating mathematical with metaphysical claims without justification.
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    • 3.Requiring independent consistency proofs prevents circular reasoning and grounds mathematical knowledge in constructive verification.
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