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    Hobbes's bargaining framework grants inclusion only to th... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→Most disabled persons and all caregivers would be included in the contractarian bargaining group for strategic reasons.

    Hobbes's bargaining framework grants inclusion only to those capable of posing a credible threat or offering irreplaceable advantage in the state of nature.

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    • 1.Hobbes describes the state of nature as a war of all against all where mutual vulnerability creates bargaining power.
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    • 2.Those lacking threat capacity or unique resources cannot credibly commit to or enforce covenant terms, making them unreliable contractors.
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    • 3.Rational actors entering a contract prioritize partners who can either deter defection or provide irreplaceable value to the commonwealth.
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    • 1.Hobbes's sovereign exists to protect all subjects equally, not just those who negotiated entry—inclusion precedes rather than follows bargaining.
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    • 2.The vulnerable and weak gain *maximum* security benefit from the commonwealth, making them valuable participants despite limited threat capacity.
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    • 3.Hobbes grounds legitimacy in the sovereign's capacity to impose order, not individuals' pre-existing power—this displaces threat-based inclusion logic.
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