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    Ideas must exist in God — Carmelics
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    Ideas must exist in God

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    • 1.Ideas cannot be modes of the finite human mind
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    • 2.Ideas must exist in some being capable of containing universal, necessary, and infinite objects
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    • 3.The only being in which universal, necessary, and infinite ideas could exist is God
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    • 1.Ideas can be understood as abstract objects existing in a third realm independent of any mind, as Frege's Platonism maintains.
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    • 2.Locating ideas in a divine mind conflates the ontological status of abstract objects with psychological states of a personal God.
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    • 3.A mind-independent realm of abstract entities accounts for universality and necessity without requiring theological commitments.
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    • 1.Kant's Copernican revolution shows that necessary and universal structure originates in the cognitive faculties of finite minds, not in a divine intellect.
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    • 2.The categories of the understanding impose necessity on experience without those categories needing to exist in any being beyond the human subject.
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    Not implausibly, Arnauld took Descartes’s claim about the ambiguity of the term “idea” to mean that “idea”, or “perception”, refers to one and the same thing, a thing which stands in two different relations. Insofar as it is related to what is known, it is called an idea; insofar as it is related to the mind, it is called a perception. This (act of) perception he took to be related to the mind as a mode of it. It is at this point that Malebranche detected the threat of skepticism. What we know,
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