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    It is not the case that If a population consistently obeys the church's authority over scripture and poor relief without coercion, this widespread recognition is itself the criterion of legitimate authority.

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    • 1.Absence of overt coercion doesn't prove free choice; structural dependence, limited alternatives, and indoctrination can produce compliance without genuine consent.
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    • 2.Popular acceptance can be morally illegitimate—widespread support for unjust authority (slavery, oppression) shouldn't make it legitimate by this standard.
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    • 3.This criterion is unfalsifiable; any persistent authority can claim its persistence proves legitimacy, preventing meaningful critique of entrenched systems.
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    • 1.Voluntary sustained compliance reveals genuine consent better than any formal procedure, since people abandon false authorities when free to do so.
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    • 2.Authority grounded in demonstrated social acceptance is more stable and responsive than authority imposed by external force or distant hierarchy.
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    • 3.Populations possess practical wisdom about institutions serving their needs; their persistent trust signals genuine legitimacy better than theoretical criteria.
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