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    It is not the case that If a whole is ontologically dependent on its parts, then the whole has no existence independent of those parts and thus no unified identity of its own.

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    • 1.Dependence on parts for existence doesn't entail lack of identity; emergent properties of wholes are genuinely distinct from parts' properties.
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    • 2.A unified identity can arise from parts' organization and relations; the whole's organization is a real feature not reducible to individual parts.
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    • 3.Dependent entities can have their own causal powers and counterfactual conditions; dependence is compatible with real, distinct identity.
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    • 1.Ontological dependence means X cannot exist without Y; thus X's existence is entirely determined by Y's existence and properties.
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    • 2.If a whole's identity were independent of its parts, we could change all parts while preserving identity—but this seems incoherent.
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    • 3.Without unified identity distinct from parts, 'the whole' refers only to a collection, not a genuine entity with its own nature.
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