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    If actual infinities are coherent, the regress of movers ... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→A first unmoved mover exists

    If actual infinities are coherent, the regress of movers need not terminate in a first unmoved mover.

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    • 1.Mathematical infinite series (e.g., 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8...) converge to definite values without requiring a first term, showing infinities can be coherent.
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    • 2.Circular causal chains in spacetime (if physically possible) could sustain motion indefinitely without needing an external unmoved mover.
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    • 3.The demand for a first mover assumes causation requires temporal priority, but simultaneous or atemporal causation might sustain infinite regresses.
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    • 1.Mathematical infinite convergence doesn't establish that actual physical infinities are coherent in the real world of changing things.
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    • 2.An infinite circular chain of movers each depending on prior movers violates the principle that explanation cannot be indefinitely deferred.
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    • 3.Even if infinities are logically coherent, their coherence doesn't explain why this particular infinite regress of motion exists rather than nothing.
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