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    It is not the case that If Aristotelian immanent forms are coherent, then 'being itself by itself' is not a necessary condition for being a form.

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    • 1.Forms must be fully intelligible objects of thought; whatever lacks self-subsistence depends on external conditions for its being.
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    • 2.If forms need matter to exist, they lack the necessity and universality that classical metaphysics attributes to formal principles.
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    • 3.Immanence without self-sufficiency makes forms parasitic on matter, undermining their status as genuine explanatory principles.
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    • 1.Aristotelian forms inhere in particulars as principles of intelligibility, requiring no independent subsistence apart from matter.
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    • 2.Immanent forms causally explain properties of individual substances, a role that doesn't require transcendent self-subsistence.
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    • 3.Being 'by itself' applies to substances, not forms; forms exist as actualizers within composite beings, not as separate entities.
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