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    If Berkeley's epistemological commitments undermine mater... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→Berkeley's idealism leads to realism about minds (human and divine), not realism about material substance.

    If Berkeley's epistemological commitments undermine material substance, those same commitments preclude the robust, enduring mental substances his system requires as perceivers.

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    • 1.Berkeley's esse est percipi principle applies universally: if material objects exist only as ideas in minds, mental substances face identical scrutiny.
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    • 2.Minds cannot be directly perceived as objects; they're inferred. This inference lacks the same empirical grounding Berkeley demands for knowledge.
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    • 3.Berkeley's system requires minds to persist when unperceived by other minds, yet this violates his core principle that unperceived things don't exist.
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    • 1.Berkeley explicitly exempts minds from esse est percipi; minds are substances that perceive ideas, not ideas themselves. The principle targets only objects.
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    • 2.Mental substance's self-awareness provides direct knowledge unavailable for material objects. I know my mind through immediate introspection, not inference alone.
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    • 3.God's eternal perception of all minds solves the persistence problem: finite minds endure because God constantly perceives them, avoiding the dilemma.
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