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    Challenges→Vast numbers of celestial buddhas and bodhisattvas presently exist who have already reached attainment.

    If celestial buddhas lack inherent existence from the perspective of ultimate truth, the claim that vast numbers 'presently exist' conflates conventional designation with ontological presence.

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    Celestial buddhas(as used in Buddhist philosophy)
    In Buddhism, enlightened beings who exist in heavenly realms and are believed to help people on the path to enlightenment; they're part of Mahayana Buddhist cosmology.
    Conflates(in argumentation and logic)
    Treats two different things as if they're the same thing, or mixes them up in a way that causes confusion.
    Conventional designation(as used in philosophy of language)
    A name or label we've all agreed to use for something, based on shared human agreement rather than laws of nature—like how we call the furry animal a 'dog' because that's what we decided to call it.
    Inherent existence(as the thing being denied in ultimate reality)
    The idea that things have a fixed, independent, unchanging essence or nature all by themselves—a concept Buddhist philosophers argue against.

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    Ontological presence(as used in metaphysics)
    Actually existing as a real thing in the world, as opposed to merely being named or conceptually talked about.
    ultimate truth(Candrakīrti's Mādhyamika framework distinguishing two levels of truth)
    Truth concerning the highest goal; specifically, that phenomena do not come into being.

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