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    If desert is a precise moral fact grounded in the nature ... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→Retributivists may have to make some sort of peace with the thesis of limiting retributivism.

    If desert is a precise moral fact grounded in the nature of the offense, retributivists need not retreat to limiting thresholds at all.

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    • 1.Moral facts about wrongdoing (like harm severity) are objective features of actions independent of legal systems.
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    • 2.If desert tracks these objective facts precisely, punishment proportional to them requires no external limiting principle.
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    • 3.Limiting thresholds artificially constrain proportionality and prevent giving wrongdoers what they truly deserve.
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    • 1.Desert is not a single precise fact but varies by competing moral frameworks, making 'the' desert amount fundamentally indeterminate.
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    • 2.Even if desert facts exist objectively, society has independent reasons (deterrence, incapacitation) to limit punishments below desert.
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    • 3.Practical implementation requires thresholds—no theory avoids them, only obscures them by calling limits something else.
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