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    It is not the case that if ECT is true, then it is not that God encompasses everything

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    Reasons For

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    • 1.God can encompass everything while permitting free creatures to choose damnation; encompassing ≠ controlling all choices.
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    • 2.ECT could reflect God's comprehensive knowledge and sovereignty over a world where damnation is a real possibility He permits.
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    • 3.Encompassing reality includes encompassing genuine human freedom; ECT is compatible with God knowing and permitting all outcomes.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.ECT (Eternal Conscious Torment) implies some souls exist forever outside God's direct control, resistant to His will.
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    • 2.Encompassing everything requires God's dominion over all states and outcomes; ECT suggests permanent divine failure regarding some beings.
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    • 3.If God truly encompasses everything, no created thing could exist in eternal opposition to His perfect plan.
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