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    It is not the case that If God making all things new applies only to the redeemed order, Objections 3 and 5 commit the scope fallacy by universalizing a promise made to the redeemed community.

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    • 1.God's creation and sustenance of all things (Col 1:16-17) suggests eschatological renewal encompasses the entire cosmos, not only the redeemed.
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    • 2.The charge of 'scope fallacy' requires proving Objections 3 and 5 explicitly claim universal application; textual evidence of this claim is needed.
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    • 3.Redemption of all creation (Rom 8:19-21) is presented as cosmic restoration, not merely a redeemed-community-only promise, making universalization textually warranted.
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    • 1.Biblical covenants consistently restrict their promises to specific communities (e.g., Abraham's covenant to descendants, new covenant to believers).
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    • 2.Universalizing promises made to redeemed communities commits a category error, treating soteriological claims as cosmological ones.
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    • 3.Scope fallacy occurs when specific textual promises are extended beyond their stated beneficiaries without explicit textual support.
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