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    If justice were structurally always deferred, reform movements that produced measurable reductions in domination and arbitrary power could not count as progress toward justice, which contradicts our most confident moral data points.

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    • 1.Empirically, abolishing slavery, extending suffrage, and reducing torture represent genuine moral improvements recognized across cultures.
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    • 2.If progress toward justice is conceptually impossible, moral reform becomes irrational, yet activists' success suggests they track real gains.
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    • 3.A theory denying measurable progress contradicts our firmest moral convictions more than it illuminates hidden structural problems.
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    • 1.Structural deferral means justice remains asymptotically unreachable even if domination decreases—progress and perpetual incompleteness coexist.
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    • 2.Confident moral intuitions about specific reforms can be reliable guides without implying we've achieved or can achieve ultimate justice.
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    • 3.The argument confuses 'measurable reduction in domination' with 'achievement of justice'—one is real, the other might legitimately remain deferred.
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    Key Terms

    Arbitrary power(as used in political philosophy)
    Power or authority that is exercised without rules, limits, or reasons—someone can make decisions however they want without having to justify them.
    Justice(Utilitarian account of justice; contrasted with non-utility-based theories)
    A name for certain classes of moral rules which concern the essentials of human well-being more nearly than other rules for the guidance of life, carrying more absolute obligation.
    Moral data points(as evidence that contradicts the idea of structurally deferred justice)
    Strong, widely-agreed-upon moral beliefs or observations that we're very confident about—treated like facts or evidence in ethics.
    Progress toward justice(what the statement argues reform movements can achieve)
    Measurable steps forward in making a society more fair and treating people more equitably.
    Reform movements(as examples of actions that might bring us closer to justice)
    Organized efforts by groups of people to change laws, institutions, or social practices to make them fairer or better.
    Structurally deferred(describing a philosophical position about justice)
    Built into the system in a way that something (in this case, justice) is always pushed into the future and can never actually be achieved in the present.
    domination(Political philosophy / republican theory of freedom)
    A social condition in which power is held over a person such that their behavior is conditioned by fear of what the power-holder can do, regardless of whether that power is currently being actively exercised against them.

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