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    If nature merely 'ordains' that movements produce sensati... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→Visual perception is caused by the movements composing the retinal picture acting directly upon the soul insofar as the soul is united to the body

    If nature merely 'ordains' that movements produce sensations, the explanatory work is done by an unexplained legislative act, not by any causal mechanism.

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    • 1.Invoking 'ordination' without mechanism merely relabels ignorance rather than explaining the mind-body connection.
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    • 2.True causal explanation requires specifying how physical events produce mental states, not just asserting they do.
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    • 3.Brute legislative facts exempt themselves from rational scrutiny in ways that mechanistic accounts do not.
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    • 1.Fundamental laws of nature (gravity, electromagnetism) are themselves 'ordained' yet remain scientifically legitimate explanations.
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    • 2.The claim assumes causal mechanisms exist between sensation and movement; perhaps psychophysical correlations are primitive facts.
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    • 3.Demanding a mechanism beyond the ordination risks infinite regress—what explains the mechanism itself?
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