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    Challenges→We cannot regard the forms we represent objects as having (spatiality, temporality, causality, etc.) as the real forms of objects independent of ourselves.

    If our spatial and causal representations systematically enable successful prediction and intervention in the world, inference to their mind-independent reality is more parsimonious than positing an unknowable thing-in-itself.

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    • 1.Predictive success across diverse domains and agents suggests representations track mind-independent structures rather than subjective constructs.
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    • 2.Positing unknowable things-in-themselves multiplies explanatory entities without improving predictive power, violating parsimony principles.
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    • 3.Successful interventions (engineering, medicine) rely on spatial-causal models; their reliability indicates genuine correspondence to reality.
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    • 1.Predictive utility and truth are distinct: false models predict well (geocentrism, phlogiston). Success doesn't entail mind-independent reality.
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    • 2.The argument assumes representational structure mirrors external structure, but this isometry itself requires justification beyond predictive success.
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    • 3.Parsimony favors what entities we posit, not what exists; realism adds the assumption that mind-independent reality exists, violating its own principle.
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    Key Terms

    Mind-independent reality(what preserves a role in classification despite scheme-dependence)
    The idea that the world exists and has certain features whether or not any person is thinking about it or aware of it.
    Parsimonious(as used in philosophy of science and logic)
    Simple and avoiding unnecessary complexity; preferring the explanation that requires the fewest assumptions or extra moving parts.
    Spatial and causal representations(as used in epistemology and metaphysics)
    The mental pictures and descriptions we use to understand how things are arranged in space and how one thing causes another to happen.
    inference(Nyāya epistemology)
    A component of epistemology in Nyāya philosophy; a veritable inference yields knowledge about the world and must have premises that are themselves known
    thing-in-itself(Kant's distinction between appearances and things-in-themselves in the Second Antinomy)
    An entity whose properties and divisions subsist independently of any act of experience or cognition, such that its decomposition into parts would form a completed (or completable) sequence.

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    Successful interventions (engineering, medicine) rely on spatial-causal models; ...The argument assumes representational structure mirrors external structure, but ...We cannot regard the forms we represent objects as having (spatiality, temporali...