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    It is not the case that If phenomenal properties are not identical to physical properties, materialism is false.

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    • 1.Identity relations don't require properties to be recognized or described identically—water's wetness is identical to H2O properties despite seeming different.
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    • 2.The conceivability of zombies may reflect our current explanatory limitations, not genuine metaphysical possibility or non-identity of properties.
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    • 3.Physical science may ultimately explain consciousness through emergent properties of complex systems without requiring non-physical ontology.
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    • 1.Phenomenal properties (qualia) have intrinsic subjective character that physical descriptions cannot capture or reduce to.
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    • 2.If materialism were true, complete physical knowledge would entail knowledge of all phenomenal properties, but this seems false.
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    • 3.The logical possibility of philosophical zombies (beings physically identical but lacking consciousness) suggests phenomenal properties are non-physical.
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