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    Challenges→Filling the redness role is necessary and sufficient for a property to be redness.

    If redness is an essential property fixed by its intrinsic physical constitution, then filling a causal-functional role is neither necessary nor sufficient for being redness across all possible worlds.

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    • 1.Physical properties like redness have intrinsic natures independent of their causal roles in any system.
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    • 2.The same physical constitution could potentially occupy different causal roles across possible worlds.
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    • 3.Functional roles are necessarily relational; intrinsic properties are independent of relations.
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    • 1.Redness just is the property that plays the red-role causally; there is no intrinsic nature beyond function.
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    • 2.Physical constitution itself is individuated by the causal-functional differences it generates.
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    • 3.Any possible world where redness's constitution exists will produce identical causal effects by necessity.
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    Key Terms

    Causal-functional role(philosophy of mind/metaphysics)
    What something does and how it works in a system—the effects it has and the purpose it serves. For example, a hammer's causal-functional role is to drive nails by striking them.
    Intrinsic physical constitution(metaphysics/physics)
    The basic physical makeup of something when you look at it on its own, without considering its relationships to other things—like the atoms and molecules that make it up.
    essential property(Counterpart theory / modal metaphysics)
    A property P is had essentially by individual a if every counterpart b of a is a member of P
    necessary and sufficient conditions(in philosophical analysis)
    A 'necessary' condition is something that must be true for something else to happen; a 'sufficient' condition is something that guarantees it will happen. This phrase describes what must be true (and what's enough) for a definition to apply.
    possible worlds(Leibniz's modal semantics, anticipating contemporary possible-worlds semantics)
    Worlds that have existence in a tenuous sense; fictional worlds used to characterize the nature of possibles that are never actualized

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